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	<title>Comments on: Chinese Brands in America: A Conversation with Scott Markman, President of The Monogram Group</title>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 16:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>China is a feudalistic society for thousands of years,patriarchy society in another word.  One man rules all. It is changing today of course, but still... Understanding that, you will know why people are afraid of taking risks. Procedures, rules or organization chart etc are just for show. Zhong Yong (Middle of the road, translated literarily) is the safest way to go for most people. A lot businesses are still run like a family. But there are outliers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>China is a feudalistic society for thousands of years,patriarchy society in another word.  One man rules all. It is changing today of course, but still&#8230; Understanding that, you will know why people are afraid of taking risks. Procedures, rules or organization chart etc are just for show. Zhong Yong (Middle of the road, translated literarily) is the safest way to go for most people. A lot businesses are still run like a family. But there are outliers.</p>
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		<title>By: Aimee Barnes &#187; The New US-China Investment Relationship: We Can Work It Out!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aimee Barnes &#187; The New US-China Investment Relationship: We Can Work It Out!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] story altogether and there are significant hurdles that may serve to alter the trend. To quote a question that China specialist Greg Anderson recently posed, “will the US Congress (which takes every [...]</description>
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		<title>By: G.E. Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>G.E. Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 01:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another nice interview, Aimee!

This interview, and the previous one with Song Jin, raise some interesting questions.  While both seem to take the entrance of Chinese investment as a given, I think there are political factors that can or may intervene in the process.

For example, will the US Congress (which takes every opportunity it can to poke China in the eye) be willing to simply sit by and watch American companies be bought up by Chinese investors?  At a minimum, I wouldn&#039;t be surprised to see calls for more reciprocity -- that whatever restrictions apply to US investment in China also apply to Chinese investment in the US.

I would also be interested to know if the Obama administration has taken a firm position on this issue yet.  Their leadership could make a difference in what Congress ultimately does, assuming Obama has enough political capital left over after Afghanistan and healthcare.  And the incomes of consultants in this area will depend on what decisions get made in Washington.

Also, in part of the Song Jin interview, while he acknowledges that many things are done differently in the US, he seems to drop a subtle hint (unless I&#039;ve misread him) that Americans need to learn how to do things the Chinese way (regarding development of relationships, etc.).

While I&#039;ve been bending over backward to do exactly that in China, I&#039;m afraid I would find myself very resistant to that idea in the US (as would most Americans, I&#039;m quite sure).  The US legal system isn&#039;t going to change because Chinese prefer relationships over contracts.

On one point, however, I do agree with Song Jin.  He says that Chinese companies will prefer to work with Chinese who have lived and worked in the US.  My first thought was, &quot;wait a minute, you guys can&#039;t have this both ways!&quot;  Foreign companies that want to set up shop in China need the help of Chinese with local connections and cultural knowledge.  And now he&#039;s saying that Chinese companies that want to set up shop in the US need Chinese with US experience.

Where does that leave us laowai who have invested so much in learning Chinese language and culture?  I&#039;m not sure, but I think Song Jin has a good point.

The US system was designed to be (comparatively) easy to learn and understand.  You hire experts in law and accounting to keep you legal, and you&#039;re good to go (issues of managerial competence aside).  In China, you need help navigating the complexity of Chinese society and the opacity of Chinese &quot;law&quot; -- none of which most foreigners are truly able to do, at least not as well as the locals.

So, yes, they do get to have it both ways.  Will we be relegated to shining their shoes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another nice interview, Aimee!</p>
<p>This interview, and the previous one with Song Jin, raise some interesting questions.  While both seem to take the entrance of Chinese investment as a given, I think there are political factors that can or may intervene in the process.</p>
<p>For example, will the US Congress (which takes every opportunity it can to poke China in the eye) be willing to simply sit by and watch American companies be bought up by Chinese investors?  At a minimum, I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised to see calls for more reciprocity &#8212; that whatever restrictions apply to US investment in China also apply to Chinese investment in the US.</p>
<p>I would also be interested to know if the Obama administration has taken a firm position on this issue yet.  Their leadership could make a difference in what Congress ultimately does, assuming Obama has enough political capital left over after Afghanistan and healthcare.  And the incomes of consultants in this area will depend on what decisions get made in Washington.</p>
<p>Also, in part of the Song Jin interview, while he acknowledges that many things are done differently in the US, he seems to drop a subtle hint (unless I&#8217;ve misread him) that Americans need to learn how to do things the Chinese way (regarding development of relationships, etc.).</p>
<p>While I&#8217;ve been bending over backward to do exactly that in China, I&#8217;m afraid I would find myself very resistant to that idea in the US (as would most Americans, I&#8217;m quite sure).  The US legal system isn&#8217;t going to change because Chinese prefer relationships over contracts.</p>
<p>On one point, however, I do agree with Song Jin.  He says that Chinese companies will prefer to work with Chinese who have lived and worked in the US.  My first thought was, &#8220;wait a minute, you guys can&#8217;t have this both ways!&#8221;  Foreign companies that want to set up shop in China need the help of Chinese with local connections and cultural knowledge.  And now he&#8217;s saying that Chinese companies that want to set up shop in the US need Chinese with US experience.</p>
<p>Where does that leave us laowai who have invested so much in learning Chinese language and culture?  I&#8217;m not sure, but I think Song Jin has a good point.</p>
<p>The US system was designed to be (comparatively) easy to learn and understand.  You hire experts in law and accounting to keep you legal, and you&#8217;re good to go (issues of managerial competence aside).  In China, you need help navigating the complexity of Chinese society and the opacity of Chinese &#8220;law&#8221; &#8212; none of which most foreigners are truly able to do, at least not as well as the locals.</p>
<p>So, yes, they do get to have it both ways.  Will we be relegated to shining their shoes?</p>
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		<title>By: Aimee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aimee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-6866&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@gregorylent&lt;/a&gt; 
Thanks for your comment, Greg. I agree that this transition is inevitable and transcends any push/pull factors that &quot;we&quot; think we control (on either side). However, I don&#039;t see consultants taking the credit for a natural progression in the global marketplace, not do I think that Chinese companies are going to be able to establish themselves on US soil and SURVIVE without local and external expertise. Chinese companies may not need to push themselves into the US market as much as they might have had to do 10, 20 years ago. But, in my opinion, they&#039;re going to need to rein in outside talent if they want to stay afloat here- especially when it comes to building a brand targeting American consumers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-6866" rel="nofollow">@gregorylent</a><br />
Thanks for your comment, Greg. I agree that this transition is inevitable and transcends any push/pull factors that &#8220;we&#8221; think we control (on either side). However, I don&#8217;t see consultants taking the credit for a natural progression in the global marketplace, not do I think that Chinese companies are going to be able to establish themselves on US soil and SURVIVE without local and external expertise. Chinese companies may not need to push themselves into the US market as much as they might have had to do 10, 20 years ago. But, in my opinion, they&#8217;re going to need to rein in outside talent if they want to stay afloat here- especially when it comes to building a brand targeting American consumers.</p>
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		<title>By: gregorylent</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 03:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>we cannot measure some of the forces at play here, so quantifiable data, ta-da, is not possible ...

but i feel there is a &quot;pull&quot; that is going to happen abroad that will lessen china company&#039;s need to &quot;push&quot; ...

(and it will be a kind of luck and of course the consultants involved will take the credit .. :-), but it was just the times)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we cannot measure some of the forces at play here, so quantifiable data, ta-da, is not possible &#8230;</p>
<p>but i feel there is a &#8220;pull&#8221; that is going to happen abroad that will lessen china company&#8217;s need to &#8220;push&#8221; &#8230;</p>
<p>(and it will be a kind of luck and of course the consultants involved will take the credit .. <img src='http://www.aimeebarnes.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> , but it was just the times)</p>
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