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	<title>Comments on: The New US-China Investment Relationship: We Can Work It Out!</title>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 22:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The Chineese Way&quot;
I interviewed for a job with a Chineese Company (against my better judgement) Operating in the Chicago area as a sales person who essentially sold outsourced manufacturing to American companies.  I was offered the job and was asked to work for two weeks for free so they could get a handle on how I operated and for me to see how the company operated.  I refused the offer 1) because selling out America goes against everything holy to me &amp; 2) I don&#039;t work for free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Chineese Way&#8221;<br />
I interviewed for a job with a Chineese Company (against my better judgement) Operating in the Chicago area as a sales person who essentially sold outsourced manufacturing to American companies.  I was offered the job and was asked to work for two weeks for free so they could get a handle on how I operated and for me to see how the company operated.  I refused the offer 1) because selling out America goes against everything holy to me &amp; 2) I don&#8217;t work for free.</p>
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		<title>By: Simeon Garratt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simeon Garratt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really like the idea behind this article and I feel that most of the points are valid. However being in the position I am in and working for a company that has a counterpart in the US (Chinese owned and recently acquired) I feel that there is still a long ways to go in regards to the compatibility of Chinese business models being implemented in the US. 

In the post above there is talk about &#039;Chinese innovation&#039;. Now lets be honest, innovation isn&#039;t something that China is known for, and its that mentality thats holding China back in many economic aspects. The Chinese have perfected the art of replication, and because of this are now stuck at the cusp of what could catapult them to be the #1 economy in the world. When people think China they think masses of people and they think  cheap. Now whether this is the case or not isn&#039;t the point, but the fact that China has been &#039;branded&#039; this has made things ever more difficult for them.

I know I&#039;m all over the place this this comment and I apologize for that, but the main point I&#039;m trying to make is that the degree&#039;s of separation within China&#039;s economy are so great that until there is a realized need for innovation on a personal level China will always be viewed as one big factory. Its elite (the ones who view the system from an external view) will remain elite and its masses will remain masses. I feel the effects of this everyday and until the time comes where China allows its internal system (from which the Chinese mentality is built upon) to be &#039;cracked&#039; by outside influences it will remain a means to an end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really like the idea behind this article and I feel that most of the points are valid. However being in the position I am in and working for a company that has a counterpart in the US (Chinese owned and recently acquired) I feel that there is still a long ways to go in regards to the compatibility of Chinese business models being implemented in the US. </p>
<p>In the post above there is talk about &#8216;Chinese innovation&#8217;. Now lets be honest, innovation isn&#8217;t something that China is known for, and its that mentality thats holding China back in many economic aspects. The Chinese have perfected the art of replication, and because of this are now stuck at the cusp of what could catapult them to be the #1 economy in the world. When people think China they think masses of people and they think  cheap. Now whether this is the case or not isn&#8217;t the point, but the fact that China has been &#8216;branded&#8217; this has made things ever more difficult for them.</p>
<p>I know I&#8217;m all over the place this this comment and I apologize for that, but the main point I&#8217;m trying to make is that the degree&#8217;s of separation within China&#8217;s economy are so great that until there is a realized need for innovation on a personal level China will always be viewed as one big factory. Its elite (the ones who view the system from an external view) will remain elite and its masses will remain masses. I feel the effects of this everyday and until the time comes where China allows its internal system (from which the Chinese mentality is built upon) to be &#8216;cracked&#8217; by outside influences it will remain a means to an end.</p>
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		<title>By: David Alexander</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Alexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 01:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last fall I visited a state of the art precision die cast factory in Southern China.  I would estimate they have a turnover of ~USD$400MM.   This facility had two specialized and top government clearance machines that were designed and manufactured by the Japanese that could essentially be used for highly technical military products although they were simply utilizing these for their automation in making automotive (carburator) parts.  After a long lunch, the owner took us to their R&amp;D building where they had devised...a turkey fryer.  That&#039;s right.  They had devised a turkey fryer that uses 80% less oil than deep frying.  Already they had made prototypes for doing french fries.  Now this story might seem to be digressing a bit, but in their keen marketing studies, they had deduced there was no similar Western device on the market.  It just so happened to be November and thus the American holiday of Thanksgiving was right around the corner.  This factory had a business plan in place, knew their total market universe of people in the U.S. who deep fried turkeys vs oven baked, and even knew this was a particularly strong activity in the South.  In fact, they had deducted that their distribution channel likely needed to be HSN or QVC then evolve into traditional retail.

What they didn&#039;t have is a contact in the U.S. to assist with the launch nor did they know anyone who could introduce them into this market.  What if however, they partnered up with a strong cookware company or better yet someone who was already doing infomercials?  Could they hit the $50-100MM in sales they felt was possible?

If you take this story out of the realm of turkey fryers, the Chinese are innovating every day but will rely on marketing expertise here to be successful.  Likewise, there are Western companies who will require the next generation of innovation to maintain and gain market share.  This commentary doesn&#039;t even scrape the surface of potential cross boarder M&amp;A activity that could and likely will commence as Eastern entities establish beachheads in the U.S.  The typical hurdle rates that private equity and investment banking firms require to do deals will be cast aside by Chinese courtiers who seek to incorporate their intellectual property with U.S. brands.

It is truly a global community that does not have to be protectionist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last fall I visited a state of the art precision die cast factory in Southern China.  I would estimate they have a turnover of ~USD$400MM.   This facility had two specialized and top government clearance machines that were designed and manufactured by the Japanese that could essentially be used for highly technical military products although they were simply utilizing these for their automation in making automotive (carburator) parts.  After a long lunch, the owner took us to their R&amp;D building where they had devised&#8230;a turkey fryer.  That&#8217;s right.  They had devised a turkey fryer that uses 80% less oil than deep frying.  Already they had made prototypes for doing french fries.  Now this story might seem to be digressing a bit, but in their keen marketing studies, they had deduced there was no similar Western device on the market.  It just so happened to be November and thus the American holiday of Thanksgiving was right around the corner.  This factory had a business plan in place, knew their total market universe of people in the U.S. who deep fried turkeys vs oven baked, and even knew this was a particularly strong activity in the South.  In fact, they had deducted that their distribution channel likely needed to be HSN or QVC then evolve into traditional retail.</p>
<p>What they didn&#8217;t have is a contact in the U.S. to assist with the launch nor did they know anyone who could introduce them into this market.  What if however, they partnered up with a strong cookware company or better yet someone who was already doing infomercials?  Could they hit the $50-100MM in sales they felt was possible?</p>
<p>If you take this story out of the realm of turkey fryers, the Chinese are innovating every day but will rely on marketing expertise here to be successful.  Likewise, there are Western companies who will require the next generation of innovation to maintain and gain market share.  This commentary doesn&#8217;t even scrape the surface of potential cross boarder M&amp;A activity that could and likely will commence as Eastern entities establish beachheads in the U.S.  The typical hurdle rates that private equity and investment banking firms require to do deals will be cast aside by Chinese courtiers who seek to incorporate their intellectual property with U.S. brands.</p>
<p>It is truly a global community that does not have to be protectionist.</p>
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		<title>By: darnoc</title>
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		<dc:creator>darnoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 09:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timely post on a subject that&#039;s going to get increasing visibility. Generally speaking, I anticipate that the American perspective will be perhaps more conservative or protectionist than noted, while the Chinese perspective will be fairly straight forward and driven by business objectives.

For example, the recently announced 600MW / $1.5B Texas wind farm has already drawn sharp criticism in America for its use of Chinese turbine technology and its role in Chinese job creation. Also, the emergence of China&#039;s Geely as the preferred bidder for the sale of Volvo by Ford has resulted in skepticism from the American (and EU) perspective. Specifically, observers question Geely&#039;s commitment to IP safeguards and ability to manage a &#039;sophisticated&#039; brand. Geely has noted that it plans to keep much of Volvo&#039;s management team intact and is working to address IP concerns through ongoing contract negotiations. The optics in both of these deals do seem to point towards a more conservative/protectionist American perspective vis-a-vis a rather straight forward Chinese perspective.

That being said, China-US bilateral investment issues may be something of a red herring for a potentially more substantive change in global trade, investment and development. Specifically, China&#039;s role in the developing world is changing quickly; a lot of this change is driven by private or state investment into the developing world. Ben Simpfendorfer, writing in the NY Times (http://bit.ly/2PYLSz) and elsewhere (http://bit.ly/3uJqN)notes economist Xu Shanda&#039;s vision for a Chinese &#039;Marshall Plan&#039; to significantly boost demand for Chinese goods in the developing world. China&#039;s development activities in the developing world will arguably have a far greater impact ultimately on foreign policy and the role of China in the world. It&#039;s worth noting that while the reaction in America to Chinese investment in the US may dominate news cycles and political leaders with a focus on protectionism and related issues, China will be busy developing new ties in the developing world founded on trade and economic policy. To quote Simpfendorfer, &quot;...it is within the emerging (developing) world itself that the bigger surprises from China will lie.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timely post on a subject that&#8217;s going to get increasing visibility. Generally speaking, I anticipate that the American perspective will be perhaps more conservative or protectionist than noted, while the Chinese perspective will be fairly straight forward and driven by business objectives.</p>
<p>For example, the recently announced 600MW / $1.5B Texas wind farm has already drawn sharp criticism in America for its use of Chinese turbine technology and its role in Chinese job creation. Also, the emergence of China&#8217;s Geely as the preferred bidder for the sale of Volvo by Ford has resulted in skepticism from the American (and EU) perspective. Specifically, observers question Geely&#8217;s commitment to IP safeguards and ability to manage a &#8216;sophisticated&#8217; brand. Geely has noted that it plans to keep much of Volvo&#8217;s management team intact and is working to address IP concerns through ongoing contract negotiations. The optics in both of these deals do seem to point towards a more conservative/protectionist American perspective vis-a-vis a rather straight forward Chinese perspective.</p>
<p>That being said, China-US bilateral investment issues may be something of a red herring for a potentially more substantive change in global trade, investment and development. Specifically, China&#8217;s role in the developing world is changing quickly; a lot of this change is driven by private or state investment into the developing world. Ben Simpfendorfer, writing in the NY Times (<a href="http://bit.ly/2PYLSz" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/2PYLSz</a>) and elsewhere (<a href="http://bit.ly/3uJqN" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/3uJqN</a>)notes economist Xu Shanda&#8217;s vision for a Chinese &#8216;Marshall Plan&#8217; to significantly boost demand for Chinese goods in the developing world. China&#8217;s development activities in the developing world will arguably have a far greater impact ultimately on foreign policy and the role of China in the world. It&#8217;s worth noting that while the reaction in America to Chinese investment in the US may dominate news cycles and political leaders with a focus on protectionism and related issues, China will be busy developing new ties in the developing world founded on trade and economic policy. To quote Simpfendorfer, &#8220;&#8230;it is within the emerging (developing) world itself that the bigger surprises from China will lie.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: gregorylent</title>
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		<dc:creator>gregorylent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good analysis for minds that take sides ..

what is the whole-systems view of this .. (i.e. looking at earth &quot;from the moon&quot;, as a single object) ..

what is good/better/best from that pov?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good analysis for minds that take sides ..</p>
<p>what is the whole-systems view of this .. (i.e. looking at earth &#8220;from the moon&#8221;, as a single object) ..</p>
<p>what is good/better/best from that pov?</p>
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